Counter for Liepard/Breloom lead in VGC battles?
As you fellow DB-users know I play VGC and Doubles. Only the last few days I ran into a solid lead that I can’t stop. Liepard/Breloom. My question is how to counter this lead?Their EVspread are as followed:
Breloom @ Life OrbTrait: Technician4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpeJolly Nature- Spore- Mach Punch- Bullet Seed- Protect
Liepard @ Dark GemTrait: Prankster4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpeJolly Nature- Fake Out- Thunder Wave/Taunt- Swagger- Foul Play
Mainpurpose:
Liepard Fake Out on turn 1 and Loom Spores, Liepard continues to Swagger and Foul Plays around, While Loom kills the pokes at Low Health.
Someone on PS already told me to use Prankster Thunderus but I need a few more Counters.Note: This may be a pair of Pokemons since Doubles uses two pokes at the same time.
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Ok, I might be a noob when it comes to Doubles which you proved several times whilst battling, but sometimes noobiness and some logic might have found a unexpected solution.
My plan was the following: Any Flying move can deal with Breelom but it needed more than 70 Speed to outspeed that Spore. At the same time though, both needed to be immune to Liepards Fake Out, so I had to get a Ghost and Inner Focus user.Here is the 4 Pokemon I found that could destroy the Lieloom core:Drifblim @ Sitrus BerryTrait: AftermathEVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 SpdTimid Nature- Hidden Power [Flying]- Shadow Ball- Destiny Bond- Hypnosis
OrGengar @ Life OrbTrait: LevitateEVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HPTimid Nature- Hidden Power [Flying]- Focus Blast- Shadow Ball- Sludge Bomb
And as the partner:Mienshao @ Life Orb/ Flying GemTrait: Inner FocusEVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDefJolly Nature- Fake Out- Drain Punch- U-turn- Acrobatics
OrLucario @ Life OrbTrait: Inner FocusEVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SAtkHasty Nature- Close Combat- Bullet Punch- Protect- Blaze Kick
The plan is simple:The Ghost of your choice uses a Flying move on Breloom, instakilling it. At the same time Mienshao or Lucario can take the Fake Out and retaliate with a Figthing move.
I have no idea if this work, but it is a option. If nothing, it will be unexpected enough to score a few hits.
Since you have battled me countless times you probably already know what is coming next. On the first turn you use protect on Escavalier and and trick room. Escavalier can’t be put to sleep due to protect and Dusknoir can’t flinch due to it’s immunity to normal. Even If the foe’s Breloom uses spore on Dusknoir, it will recover due to it’s Lum berry. Under Trick room it Escavalier can take out Liepard, Breloom ( I recommend Breloom because you wouldn’t want to be under spore). After Breloom taken out Liepard would be in trouble. It would only have two possibilities:1. Use foul play on Escavlier and do massive damage2. Use swagger on Dusknoir and afterwards spam foul play3. Use substitute, then swagger and afterwards spam foul play.The latter one would be a problem but using shadow sneak would immediately get it out of it’s substitute and then you could hit hard with a stab Megahorn
Hope this helped
Patattenboer xP
This is another option
Garchomp @ Lum berryTrait: Rough skinNature: JollyEV spread: 252 Atk, 252 SpeMoveset:- Outrage- Fire fang- Earthquake- Rock slideSpiritomb @ Lava cookieTrait: InfiltratorNature: AdamantEV spread: 248 HP, 252 Attack, 8 Sp. defenseMoveset:- Sucker Punch- Shadow sneak- Trick- Will-O-Wisp
The first moves are pretty simple. Because Garchomp has high attack stat Liepard would probably use swagger on it. What the foe doesn’t usually expect is Garchomp holding a lum berry. With it’s attack stat being powered up it uses Outrage and liepard is taken down. Breloom goes with spore on Spiritomb. Waking up with lava cookie it uses Will-O-Wisp. When the next turn begins Garchomp uses a stab outrage OHKOing or nearly OHKOing Breloom. If it survives the turn it will probably be taken out by it’s burn
This is also an option
Rotom-S @ Choice specsTrait: LevitateNature: TimidEV spread:4 Defense, 252 SpAtk ,252 SpeMoveset:- Volt Switch- Trick- Air Slash- Hidden Power( Fighting)Crobat @ Flying GemTrait: Inner FocusNature: JollyEV spread: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HPMoveset:- Acrobatics- Taunt- Tailwind- Brave Bird
Even though it looks a little obvious what this pair is going to do I will explain anyway. Firstly Rotom-S uses Trick and tricks Liepard into using one move, this will probably be Foul Play or Swagger. Then using acrobatics or brave bird to take out Breloom you don’t have to deal with spore spam. Now that Liepard is stuck in one move you can take it down in all peace and serenity. But don’t overreact because after all , liepard are very sly.
This is going to be one of my last suggestions:
Infernape @ Lum berryTrait: Iron FistNature: JollyEV spread: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 DefenseMoveset:- Mach Punch- Thunder Punch- Fire Punch- Close CombatHitmontop @ LeftoversTrait: IntimidateNature: AdamantEV spread: 252 HP, 126 Atk, 126 DefenseMoveset:- Quick Guard- Close combat- Taunt- Rock Slide
Ok, this one is very simple. You firstly use Quick Guard to prevent fake out from being used. Then you just commence with sweeping that team. Using Mach punch on Liepard and the job is done. Getting rid of Breloom won’t be a problem too.
I will keep adding more
