How to use Greninja and Blaziken properly?

I’ve always had a problem with frail ‘glass cannon’ Pokemon.Anyways, tons of people are using Blaziken and Greninja and are reporting high levels of success with it. Something I’m not able to achieve.

These Pokemon would do fine in UU, but in OU and Ubers, they just get wrecked by EVERYTHING.Blaziken is moderately good, because if you somehow survive one hit for a swords dance, you can do major damage before going down.

Geninja is even worser. Sure, it may have protean and all that, but even if you land a super effective move(Which is difficult with its limited movepool), it is very unlikely to be a kill on most Pokemon. And then greninja takes a hit and dies. Even strong moves that are not very effective on Greninja (and Blaziken to a lesser extent) kills it. So the best it can do is deal about 75-90% damage to one Pokemon before dying, which sucks.

So how exactly do you turn this chicken and frog into the fearsome sweepers people claim them to be?

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The ironic thing about this is that you say that these two would get wrecked in OU and Ubers, yet they were both banned from OU due to being too powerful. To be completely honest, I think it’s because you’re underestimating them or you aren’t using them right. I’ll cover these both separately since they both involve their own strategy.

Useful for: Massive coverage, Protean, revenge killing capabilities, raw power

I have absolutely no idea how you thought this had poor coverage. Greninja has access to fantastic coverage - it can’t cover everything in four moveslots, but this allows it to pick and choose what it beats and adds to its unpredictability. It has Hydro Pump, Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Hidden Power, Gunk Shot, Extrasensory, Low Kick and more in its arsenal, and thanks to Protean, it receives STAB on all of them meaning it is not only speedy but powerful. Gunk Shot is a move Greninja got in ORAS, and it’s the move that eliminated Fairies as a check to Greninja, which made it very difficult to stop since it has almost perfect coverage of the game now. Another common answer, Chansey, also has to deal with the occasional Low Kick.

Greninja is a pretty simple Pokemon to use - it functions as a mid-late game sweeper and revenge killer since it’s so fast and can hit many Pokemon for super effective damage. Some ideas as to how to use it:

Because Greninja is so fast, so powerful unboosted and has almost nothing in the ways of defensive counters, it’s a Pokemon that was obviously toxic to the OU game and was suspect tested by Smogon. Nearly all the votes were in favour of the ban to Ubers. Since Greninja was banned it’s been while since I’ve played with it, if anyone else thinks of anything else comment or edit :)

Useful for: STAB coverage, sweeping

This has been Ubers ever since it got its Hidden Ability, and is showing no signs of returning to OU at all. Speed Boost is a ridiculously overpowered ability that makes Blaziken substantially faster by simply using it for a turn. If you can find an opportunity to set up Swords Dance, Blaziken is a lethal sweeper that is far too good for OU. Most players would laugh at you if you told them Blaziken got wrecked in OU.

Blaziken will likely remain in Ubers for a long time unless a dramatic shift in the game occurs that causes Blaziken to be less viable. It is a fantastic Pokemon and it’s far too good for OU, let alone UU.

My best advice for using these Pokemon and for competitive battles In general is topractise. You will learn what these Pokemon can and can’t do and you will learn how to play them to their strengths. It’s possible that people are having more success with these Pokemon because they’re simply more experienced - if you get to know the tier/ metagame you’re playing more, you’ll play better in general.

tl;dr: these Pokemon are much better than you think - either you’re underestimating them, or you aren’t playing with them correctly.

1 how dare you disrispect greninja.2your probably not using them right, people usually baton pass speed and attack so they hit first and strike hard and uasally set up Sub Or something so they can get a swords dance in and they arn’t built for defence unless there is some new stratagy.3greninja has a wide move pool thanks to protein and has at least 1 super effective move against any Pokemon.4you probably don’t use stratagy.Here are some move sets for those two.GreninjaAbility proteinItem expert beltMove 1 extrasityMove 2 ice beamMove 3 scaldMove 4 thunder boltNo Evs I’m not good at themBlazikanAbility speed boostItem life orbMove 1 blaze kickMove 2 sky uppercutMove 3 Aerial aceMove 4 brave bird

Ok,Greninja and Blaziken are two of my favorite Pokemon. Here’s some help on how to use them.GreninjaAbillity:Protean (Really the STAB helps) or Battle Bond (Ash-Greninja ups almost all it’s stats. If you just want higher stats and less damage output)Make sure he’s max speed max special attack to get in revenge kills and max HP so he can take hits from any Pokemon that happens to be faster than it.Item: Choice Specs:Moveset:Ice beam: It’s great for the grass types and is a garunteed hitExtrasensory: It wrecks both Fighting and Poison typesScald:It’s just good as water-type coverage and the damage is pretty good plus potential burnHidden power : Dark is prefered for ghost-type sweepers like Gengar but you can use any Hidden power depending on the situation

Blaziken:Abillity:Blaze(Speed boost once mega evolved)Make sure he’s max Attack and HPItem:BlazikeniteMoveset:Fire blast:The most powerfull Fire-type move that doesn’t cause recoilBrick Break:Good for Fighting coverageEarthquake: EQ is going to be really good for the electric and steel types.Brave Bird: It may cause recoil but it wrecks teams. I have a max HP max speed Mega Blaziken recoil move setup and I one-shot a Girintina that was going on a massecre of my team with this move. It’s just a great move to have on a Blaziken